@luke Re:

I agree. Modern 'freedom' looks a lot like slavery. Donald Whitney in his book "Spiritual Disciplines for the Christian Life" uses the analogy of a young musician who gives up playing with other kids or other pleasures for the freedom to make beautiful music. The question is if we are capable of such discipline on our own.

I'm not agree with Luke here. He is just lumping together totally different concepts like freedom, morality, conscience and discipline.

@VikingKong I don't think he is. He's just jumping feet-first into the middle of a longer argument. Paul, in his famous letter to the Christians in Rome in the 1st century, starts with arguing for the inherited corruption of all human faculties; will, reason, emotions, etc. Luke is right that the idea of freedom as the ability to do anything you wish with no restrictions will only result in slavish devotion to one's own corrupted desires.

Since, as Jonathan Edwards so clearly sets out, the will is the mind choosing what it finds most desirable at the moment; if the mind is corrupt, so is the will.

It's possible but not inevitable. And here it stops being about freedom and starts being about consciousness and discipline.

@VikingKong To quote Shakespeare, "Aye, there's the rub".
The problem is, that since man is corrupt in all his faculties, he is unable through 'consciousness and discipline' to choose the right. He needs outside help.

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